How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
I love thee to the depth and breadth and height
We need to count to be sure to be sure. Therefore we don't want to have confusion about what the counting words mean. I've suggested before that most people feel [before they start to think] that a billion is twice a million - after all a bicycle has two wheels and an icicle [example R from Storm Emma] has no wheels; so we must suppose that a micycle has one wheel. In the Dáil last week, the Government was defeated on a motion to abandon a recently created Strategic Communications Unit. The SCU was created by Taoiseach Leo Varadkar to blur the lines between policy and advertising with a €5 million budget to inform the public. The thing is that if people see something in print enough times they come to believe it is true even if that truth is established only by assertion and not by evidence. This idea has such an ancient pedigree that it is a Chinese proverb Three Men Make a Tiger. To come to a vote, there must be a debate, and so a lot of precious Dáil time was consumed by the opposition parties throwing shapes about a mildly controversial item that was in the news. It is aggravating because, in the scale of the annual government spend, €5 million is a piffling amount of money.
People who are functionally innumerate - most people, most of the time and all people, some of the time - will get exercised about an emotive but financially trivial subject and then allow load$a money to be spent on dull dull dull intrastructural projects which could be better thought through. C. Northcote Parkinson [prev], the ironic economist, cast that issue in his Law of Triviality: a committee charged with approving the design of a nuclear power-plant will typically spent much of its time arguing about the construction of the staff bike-shed . . . because they can grasp those issues.
Anyway, I was sent [by MeFi] to a numero-linguistic site which lists the words different peoples give to numbers. This is cute. Note how several languages, not English or Dutch, have the form 11 = 10+1; 12=10+2. Polari, just to be different, has 8 = 6+2 and 9 = 6+3. Sheep counting aka Yan Tan Tethera was used in many locally variant forms in these WEA islands to count sheep in the way my grandfather and his grandfather before him did. It is supposed to be based on a long dead Brythonic Celtic [as in P celtic] language check out 5 and 10 in Sheep and Welsh.
Sheep | Welsh | Manx | Dutch | Polari | Basque |
Yan | un | nane | een | una | bat |
Tyan | dau | jees | twee | dewey | bi |
Tethera | tri | tree | drie | trey | hiru |
Methera | pedwar | kiare | vier | quarter | lau |
Pimp | pump | queig | vijf | chinker | bost |
Sethera | chwech | shey | zes | sey | sei |
Lethera | saith | shiaght | zeven | setter | zazpi |
Hovera | wyth | hoght | acht | say dooe | zortzi |
Dovera | naw | nuy | negen | sey trey | bederatzi |
Dik | deg | jeih | tien | dacha | hamar |
Yanadik | un ar ddeg | nane-jeig | elf | longdedger | hamaika |
Tyanadik | deuddeg | daa-yeig | twaalf | kenza | hamabi |
Billion?? I'll have to be more careful in future, if I want to keep readers in Paris and Budapest. There will be dispute about it meaning 10^12 / 10e12 or 10^9 / 10e9. That's why the SI [= everyone agrees] units specify the prefixes for all scientific units of measurement:
biggest: 10^18 = exa, peta, tera, giga, mega, kilo, hecto, deca,
(none),
deci, centi, milli, micro, nano, pico, femto, atto = 10^-18 smallest
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Morning Bob - hi from the Cumbria. Somehow in September 2021, I find myself on your Yan Tyan Tethera page from 2018.
ReplyDeleteI am currently plotting the useage of YTT variants and wonder if you could spare a few moments to elaborate on
'Sheep counting aka Yan Tan Tethera was used in many locally variant forms in these WEA islands to count sheep in the way my grandfather and his grandfather before him did'
Do you remember the actual words your gfather and ggfather used count, or as many as you can recall?
What would be the approximate date for its use with your ggfather?
Where in WEA was their farm?
Many thanks for your help - much appreciated
Richard
Arragh sorry Richard. "my grandfather and his grandfather before him" is written in italics in an attempt to distance the statement from my own lived experience [or that of my ancestors none of whom were shepherds]. My experience with sheep [Co Carlow, Blackstairs Mts] is limited and wholly dependent on kind neighbours for all the difficult bits. By a weird coincidence I am currently audio-booking "Sheepish" by Catherine Friend [another sheep-hobbyist] and last night she was reflecting on Yan Tyan Tethera. Your project sounds really interesting - the divil is in the detail.
DeleteCumbria? Friend was also bigging up the idea of creating compost from bracken and sheep wool which is being carried out in your country. Given that we took 15c/kg for wool this year - there's go to be a better way.